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  Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"

  by DATA-DOG in

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  as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.

  when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.

  this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.

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  defender of truth

  Heavensgate, please look at this as an example of simplicity:
  Matthew 6:26 Observe intently the birds of heaven; they do not sow seed or reap or gather into storehouses, yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not worth more than they are?
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  Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.

  when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.

  this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.

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  Heavensgate: I know you're not my teacher, what has that got to do with it? If I start asking questions at my Hall, about the overlapping generation not having Scriptural precedent or why does the 69 awake teach an interpretation as fact?..I could draw suspicion.
  I understood your explanation of even angels worshipping Jesus, I have been listening to you, but you seem to have difficulty giving direct and understandable answers.. You still have avoided answering the two main issues I am having trouble with, and you haven't explained the sentence about 'in time and context Jesus being superior to the Father' from pages ago.
  People here, even if some are a bit strange, at least have replied to what I have said. All you do is condescend me and say things like..
  
  ""Your blatant disregard for quest of knowledge is there for superficial....My insults have been none.""
  ..Charming, I get shown all these quotes that I can't believe we printed, you ignore them and don't explain clearly what you are even saying, then you insult me again by saying I am being superficial!
  I tell you what mate, it would take an expert in hieroglyphics to decipher what you are saying sometimes.
  To say that anyone who doesn't understand your post is blind is incredibly arrogant, and not very Christian. I am trying. Finally..
  
  Heavensgate:"Why don't people understand?....Jesus expected people to understand His teaching."
  
  .. Because Jesus was a great teacher, and he used clear and simple illustrations. Your posts would confuse a growing tree. Good day.
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  Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.

  when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.

  this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.

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  defender of truth

  Anyway, to those here at JWN..
  Thank you for your replies and (mainly) your patience with me up to now, even if we don't agree, especially to Problemaddict who has put up with insults from me and not responded in kind. I'll take a rain check on the blood discussion, thanks, there is too much going on in my head and my life at the moment as it is, and that is a clear scriptural command to me..
  I will take a look back over everything that's been said and read any replies on the issues that we've talked about, but I need a break from talking here. Don't worry if I stop posting, I need time to think now.
  I don't think Heavensgate is going to give any clear answers anytime soon, he seems to avoid what I have asked, so I might have a look at jwfacts after all.. Good night.
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  Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.

  when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.

  this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.

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  defender of truth

  Heavensgate:"If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things.."
  ..Thanks for replying, but you still seem to have ignored what I'm saying, or maybe I just need it to be explained more simply. (this is driving me crazy!!)
  You WILL NEVER GROW OLD. They describe this as a FACT. And why? Because..
  "Of the generation that observed the beginning of the 'last days' in 1914, Jesus foretold:’ this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.' Therefore, as a young person, you will never fulfill any career.."
  .. Look at the word 'therefore'. The article uses Jesus' words as a guarantee of what they are going to say next..
  So because of the interpretation at that time of the length of a generation, (which at least made sense to me whereas the whole overlapping teaching appears to have no Scriptural precedent and has bugged me for ages, unless I've missed something somewhere), we apparently used the phrase there 'you WILL never'. YOU WILL NEVER!!
  Our interpretation at that time was stated as a fact, even though at the end of the day it was just the reasoning of fallible men.. And Jehovah let them print that..?
  How else can you read it??
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  Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.

  when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.

  this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.

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  "Teaching black people get to be white in the new world.."..Do you have any quotes to prove that was really said? I'm not going to jwfacts or anything else that's apostate, though, we're told not to do that. It can't be true, that's blatant racism!
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  Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.

  when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.

  this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.

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  DD:"It contains many errors"
  ..For example?
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  Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.

  when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.

  this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.

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  defender of truth

  And whilst I'm asking questions Heavensgate, as you seem far more experienced than I am, how would you explain the overlapping generation teaching to a householder from the Bible? Someone asked me to give a Scriptural example of this, and I couldn't think of one. Many in our Hall can't explain it too well either..
  
  Sorry, I'll stop bugging you now, honest. I hope you will stick around, I'm 'holding the fort' alone on this site at the moment..
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  Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.

  when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.

  this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.

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  Heavensgate:''Continue learning, and you will find out with this article and time placement equal to people believing that Jesus was God, and was far more Superior to worship than Jehovah the father.''
  ..I gather that English isn't your first language, but can you please explain this more clearly? Thank you, I hope I cause no offense.
  Heavensgate:"you will soon..accept their doctrine to be the only infallible truth."
  ..Now you are being silly. Not even the Faithful Slave teaches the infallible truth, do they?... Nobody has accepted me here, and I don't care either way. Maybe you could help me to refute the points being made here rather than just lumping me in with this random group of people??
  I see what you are saying now.. that Jesus was worshipped by angels in the sense of being subservient at Hebrews 1:6, which said worship in the King James before we quite rightly translated the word as obeisance, where the other Bibles that the worlds so-called 'intellectuals' have produced are translated wrongly, and inconsistent with all other Scriptures as anyone could see.. But what about that 69 Awake quote? Wouldn't children reading that have understood that direction to have come from Jehovah?
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  Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.

  when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.

  this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.

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  Heavensgate:"When Jesus said follow me. He was not exerting authority over himself. He is the vessel that used for salvation. This vessel justifies him to reign over all of us, not as God but as King. Your understanding about dual GOD has never been mentioned in any sensible way. Good Luck with your endeavor."
  
  I've NO idea what you are talking about. I don't believe in a dual God at all, I never have.
  I am an active Jehovahs Witness.. I only know to worship Jehovah, you insult me.
  Why do you think I've been defending our beliefs??
  And what do you mean by empathizing but not agreeing? Agreeing with what??
  I was trying to get the viewpoint of an experienced fellow Witness, how can that quote from 1945 mean anything but to worship Jesus? It says we should 'worship Jehovah and also bow down and worship Jesus', in the same context.
  And how could we state it as fact that children WOULD NOT grow old or finish school. An answer to either/both of these points would be helpful, but you have bizarrely decided that I'm some dual God believer, goodness knows why..
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  Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.

  when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.

  this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.

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  defender of truth

  Heavensgate:"The JWN community is not really looking for truthful answer they just want to replace wisdom with hate."
  That's not fair really.. Most of the posters have been respectful.
  
  Heavensgate:"The separation of movements is not acknowledged here unfortunately."
  To be fair, some of the quotes shown here are quite recent. What about that one from 1969, saying children will not grow old as a definite statement? And why can't I look it up on the cd-rom? The awakes only go back to 1970, but the watchtowers to 1950 which I always thought was odd.. And the quote about Jesus being worshipped in the same way as Jehovah, how could the Faithful Slave have printed that at any time?
  
  'Since Jehovah God now reigns as King by means of his capital organization Zion,then whosoever would worship Him must also worship and bow down to Jehovah's Chief One in that capital organization, namely, Christ Jesus, his Co-regent on the throne of The Theocracy."Watchtower1945 Oct 15 p.313